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+Where to go from here: Adding resize to NBD
+[About 4-5 mins]
+
+- based somewhat on https://lists.debian.org/nbd/2017/01/msg00016.html
+
+* Heading: Bigger is better?
+- 8000- slide
+ - qemu -> (raw) -> qemu-nbd -> (qcow2) -> image.qcow2
+ - qemu -> (qcow2) -> qemu-nbd -> (raw) -> image.qcow2
+
+XXX With all the things we've added to NBD, what do we want to add
+next? Our biggest goal (pardon the pun) is to allow dynamic growth of
+image sizes.
+
+There are two ways to consume qcow2 images over NBD. In the first,
+the server reads the qcow2 file and exposes only the raw guest-visible
+content to the client. If the guest writes a lot, the server may grow
+the .qcow2 file as needed, but the guest cannot change the size of the
+guest-visible address range, and cannot access any qcow2 features such
+as backing files, dirty bitmaps, or internal snapshots.
+
+In the second, the server exposes the qcow2 file as-is, and the client
+must then parse that metadata into guest content. The client now has
+access to all qcow2 features (including the QMP block_resize command
+for altering the size reported to the guest). However, it cannot
+change the size of the underlying .qcow2 container; if more guest
+writes and metadata actions occur than the original server size
+supports, the operation fails with ENOSPC. Use of preallocation can
+work around this limitation, but it is painful enough to pre-size
+things correctly that current documentation recommends always running
+in the first mode (raw over the wire) rather than this mode (qcow2
+over the wire).
+
+The next few slides will discuss design tradeoffs to be considered
+when adding a resize extension.
+
+* Heading: Automatic or explicit
+- 8100- slide
+ - automatic: NBD_CMD_WRITE past EOF -> server auto-resizes if possible
+ - explicit: NBD_CMD_WITE past EOF fails, NBD_CMD_RESIZE to update,
+ NBD_CMD_WRITE now succeeds.
+
+POSIX files support automatic growth, insofar as the underlying file
+system still has room. However, block devices do not. Should NBD
+require an explicit NBD_CMD_RESIZE before allowing access to
+additional size, or can NBD_CMD_WRITE extending past EOF trigger an
+automatic resize? Should we guarantee zero contents, or may a server
+to have unspecified contents in not-yet-written offsets added by a
+resize? If resize can be automatic, should the server advertise this
+capability to the client? Or should automatic resize be something the
+client must opt in to using?
+
+* Heading: Simple or structured
+- 8200- slide
+ - simple: NBD_CMD_RESIZE -> simple reply
+ - structured: NBD_CMD_RESIZE -> NBD_REPLY_CHUNK_SIZE+DONE
+
+Sometimes, the client knows when it needs more space, and wants to
+inform the server about a new requested size (this includes the case
+when resize is automatic). But even when the client requests one
+size, the server may pick a different one (due to rounding to
+granularities or to quotas). In other setups, the server can't resize
+on the fly at the request of the client, but can be resized by other
+means and will thus need a way for the client to learn whether the
+size has changed. However, returning the server's notion of the
+current size requires a structured reply; servers that lack structured
+replies would be limited to a boolean success or failure result. Is
+it worth requiring structured replies to implement a resize command?
+
+* Heading: Polling or notification
+- 8300- slide
+ - NBD_CMD_RESIZE(FLAG_NOTIFY) -> NBD_REPLY_CHUNK_RESIZE+NOT_DONE
+ -> NBD_REPLY_CHUNK_RESIZE+NOT_DONE ...
+
+If resize is automatic, or if the server supports external means for
+resizing, the client will want some way to learn the server's current
+size. The NBD protocol currently requires that all traffic be
+command/response pairs initiated by the client, with no means for the
+server to initiate a message unrequested by the client. However, as
+just mentioned, getting a size back would already require a structured
+reply, and structured replies allow the server to send back more than
+one response before declaring the response complete. Is it worth
+setting up a command flag where the client can request subsequent
+notification of size changes as an open-ended request (perhaps
+good-until-canceled), where the server can then send replies to that
+command as needed on each size change, to allow the client to have a
+means to receive events rather than having to periodically poll for
+size changes? Do we need to think about a client having to prevent
+against a denial of service from a malicious server that sends too
+many responses?
+
+* Heading: Complexity tradeoffs
+- 8400-
+
+Should we specify all of the previous choices, with appropriate
+handshaking for each knob? Integration testing becomes more difficult
+the more knobs there are to test against. On the other hand,
+additional flexibility allows for more servers to support as much or
+as little as easily possible, which has already been proven a
+worthwhile model with nbdkit plugins. Requiring support for
+structured replies may be necessary for some features (such as server
+notification), but is definitely overkill for an implementation where
+polling is adequate.
+
+As with fast zeroes, the way forward will be to implement something
+that works in each of qemu, nbdkit, and libnbd, and show that they are
+interoperable, so that the NBD protocol specification can then
+document how other implementations may also interoperably add the same
+support.
+
+* conclusion: XXX
+- 9000- wrapup
+
+Thanks for your time this afternoon. We hope this has been
+informative, and welcome any questions at this time.